Kel-Tec CMR-30 and PMR-30 Shooting Impressions

Hey guys, welcome back. So, today I’m out on the indoor range playing with a couple of Kel-Tec products. The product you see me shooting right now is the PMR-30. This is a 30 shot, .22 Magnum, made mostly out of polymers and, of course, metal where necessary. Things like the barrel and certain trigger components are metal. It’s a very light weight .22 Magnum pistol and, again, fires from a 30 shot magazine.

Another Kel-Tec firearm that I brought out this afternoon to show you guys for the first time on video is the CMR-30. It’s the 30 shot .22 Magnum carbine version companion piece to the PMR-30. P: pistol, C: carbine.

The CMR-30 is something I’ve had now for a couple of months. You’ll know that if you follow me on Instagram. If you don’t follow me on Instagram, this will all be news to you. Again, I’ve had it for a couple of months. I’ve been evaluating the carbine, shooting it alongside with the pistol, and I’ve had a chance to run quite a bit of ammunition through it and start to form an opinion.

Today is just another range day. Indoors, trying to stay out of the heat. Shooting both the PMR and the CMR-30. Just to play with them and evaluate some different types of ammunition. Today, I’m trying out some CCI mags, you can see with the ballistic tips on them, courtesy of Federal Ammunition, or ATK. Anyway, that’s what we’re doing this afternoon, playing around on the range, having some fun with these guns. Bring you guys along. I think you’re going to enjoy what I have to show you this afternoon, including an interesting target that I have down range. Let’s do some more shooting.

Well guys, let me introduce you to my new shooting companion. I’m going to call him Rubber Rob. We had Ballistic Bob, which is a guy we used in some ballistics testing videos a couple of years ago and he’s been retired to the garage. We may whip him out again later in a future video.

But, good old Rubber Rob here is my new shooting companion. Rubber Rob is made out of hard rubber, as the name implies, and it’s manufactured by Rubber Dummies. I put a link to down below, which is a company that manufactures these torso size targets.

I picked up a couple of these with the stands, the targets themselves, is just a hard rubber target, which is self-sealing. These things retail for about 129 bucks. The entire system with the stand is $199. When you shoot up this rubber target, it costs you 120 bucks to replace it, but, what’s nice about it, as I mentioned, is that it’s self sealing. That means as you shoot through it, the hole seals up. You can get thousands upon thousands, upon thousands of rounds shot into this target, or so they say. I don’t know, this is my first one and it’s actually the first one I’ve actually shot at.

So, you’re going to continue to see me shooting at these things over the course of the next few months. We’ll find out just how much abuse they can really take. Nice thing about them, a can of white spray paint resets the target. So, all the bullet holes that you see on him. Just going to hit him with a little bit of spray paint here, and voila, brand new, practically unshot target. You kind of see some little .22 holes that have passed through him here and the ones in the head aren’t so visible, but the ones in the chest are definitely more visible.
So, we’ll see, again, what kind of abuse these guys can take. What’s cool about him, is you can put shirts on them and things like that for training purposes. If you’re shooting at a target, like a steel plate, it gives you immediate feedback. You can see the bullet hit, you can hear the bullet hit. In an actual gunfight, if you’re training for self-defense type situations, you’re not going to have that type of feedback.

You’re probably not going to see the bullet hit. You may or may not see a bullet hit and that’s what this kind of simulates. You put a shirt on him, you’ll see the bullets hit if you can pick up the movement of the clothing. But other than that, the bullet just passes right through this target on to the traps behind it. In this case, because we’re in an indoor range, which is another cool feature, which is why I’m able to do this, since it’s not steel, I can safely shoot it on an indoor range.

The bullets pass right through, as I mentioned, and head on over to the steel traps. If this were a steel target, the bullets would splatter down. We have concrete all around and it would increase the probability that a piece of bullet fragments would come back at the shooter. With old Rubber Rob here, that’s not a concern. So, anyway, Rubber Rob, MAC viewers. MAC viewers, Rubber Rob. Let’s shoot him so more.

This, guys, is the CMR-30. It has the exact same grip frame, grip feel, as the PMR-30, its pistol brethren, cousin, sister, brother, I don’t know what you want to call it. The whole upper half of it, is aluminum. Right here, there’s the release. It’s like the KSG. On the KSG, this would be the pump release.

On the CMR, it allows you to adjust the stock in, has multiple settings. Collapses all the way to a very short package. Then you push this down, pull on the stock and it fully extends. Now, it has a really long length to pull. I mean if I extend the stock all the way, that’s more than enough for me and I’m a yeti. Really interesting little setup. I like how it works, it’s very smooth, it’s in the shoulder. You can collapse it when you need to simply by pushing the button, and collapse it. Pulling it out, you have to release it. Pull it out and it locks into place.

Now, I do have a Trijicon sight on this thing. Yes, it cost two or three times more than the gun itself. These things MSRP at about $630. Who knows what they’re going to sell for on the open market. You know how Kel-Tec goes. They seem to trickle their products out at times. Demand is always really high and people like to gouge on them.

So, anyway let’s fire off a few rounds out of this bad boy. You can see the ambi charging handles on both sides of the aluminum receiver. Just simply pull it back. It’s non-reciprocating so it does stay forward when the bolt goes closed. It does have a slide stop in pretty much the same location as the pistol and manual safety right there, which you can access from both sides. Unfortunately, there’s not a slide stop. So, it’s not completely ambidextrous, but you can hit that and it will drop the slide. Push up on it and pull back with the charging handle, it’ll lock it open. Alright, let’s pop off a few rounds really quick, see what we get, on old Rubber Rob here.

Gun locks open on the last shot fired. It has a heel release, just like the PMR. So, you’ll push this heel, take the magazine out, stick a fresh one in, and then to reload, simply drop the bolt home. Let’s grab some more ammo and shoot it some more.

Loading the .22 Magnums into the magazines is really relatively simple. It looks like a double stack magazine because it is. However, with the traditional double stack magazine, you can simply put a bullet on top and push down. You won’t be able to do that with these magazines for the obvious reason or what should be an obvious reason. They actually have rims on them and so look what I’ve done here is made a complete mess, okay.

You’ll notice, if you can see, that the lips are kind of wider here than they are at the base. Because it’s a rimmed cartridge, you’ll have to have the rims stacked so that each rim is in front of the other. If one rim got behind the other one in the magazine, the one below it, it would cause a malfunction. What you’re able to do is put them around right about here, push down and then push it back and seat it all the way and you’ll see how the rims stack up so that the top round’s rim is in front of the rim just below it, so it’ll never cause it a feeding issue.

Now keep in mind .22 Magnum is not designed for semi-automatic use. It’s actually a really poor caliber for use in semi-automatics. Simply because the case wall is perfectly straight and the cartridge is long, meaning it’s going to be difficult for a semi-automatic to feed it reliably. I have run into that issue with both the pistol and the carbine version of the gun.

You’ll want to make sure that you use rounds that favor aiding the feeding of the gun. In this case we’re using the CCI ballistic tips that have nice little pointy noses on them, which will line it up perfectly with the chamber every time and I have almost no problems with it. You can expect to have problems with certain .22 mag cartridges with these types of firearms. It’s just the nature of the cartridge itself. It’s really no fault to the gun in my opinion.

It seems like the guys at Kel-Tec tried to think of almost everything in designing the CMR-30, right down to the 1/2 x 28 threaded barrel. You’ll notice I have a tri-leg adaptor on the end of the barrel here and that’s because I like to use the Griffin Armament Checkmate .22 Suppressor.

This is just a standard .22 suppressor and because of the 16” barrel, there’s no problems with pressure, but you will want to check with your suppressor manufacturer before using your .22 caliber suppressor on this particular firearm. I’m going to go ahead and push it on, turn and rotate. That tri-lock system locks the suppressor into place.

Now, I’ve fired the gun quite a bit suppressed and the suppressor does increase the back pressure in the barrel, which also means it’s going to blow more garbage back into this gun. I have noticed that if you shoot these guns quite a bit, once they start to get dirty, they start to experience malfunctions. So, the only thing you really need to do is just clean this gun every time you shoot it and you’re not going to really run into reliability issues.

I haven’t cleaned this thing in a month and probably about 500 rounds, so it’s pretty filthy right now and so far, as you’ve seen, I’m not having any problems. But, the suppressor can change that just a little bit, because again, it makes the gun run just a little bit harder and a little bit dirtier. Let’s fire a few rounds with it suppressed, with the Griffin Armament can on it.

Now, I am getting gas back in my face and it’s definitely increasing the recoil. I can feel more recoil with the gun. Not that it has noticeable recoil really to begin with; it’s a .22 Magnum. But, you can definitely tell the difference when you have the suppressor on the gun. It has not changed the point of impact at all though.

Man, the gas is unbelievable. I don’t have the fans on in an indoor range, so we can keep it quiet in here and, holy cow, the gas is overwhelming. That’s the last shot fired, bolt locks open. Last shot fired and it runs really well, again, with the can on it. Except for getting the gas back in your face, which is common with semi-automatics of any type.

Works good. Fun, definitely like it. I don’t know about old Rubber Rob down there. He’s taking a beating. Nice little group right there in the center of the chest. A lot of fun and like the target.

Overall, I’m having a real good time with the CMR-30. I think that the ergonomics are workable, the charging handle. If I can make one recommendation, instead of having the fixed plastic, I know it would just add cost to the gun, but having a charging handle that perhaps folds flat would be an upgrade. Maybe in a version or two down the road.

It has 1913 rails that run the full length of the top of the gun and a really long rail across the bottom. Now, because this is a carbine, you can put vertical grips on it; AFGs, whatever you want. The disassembly is relatively straightforward. We’ll save that for another video. It’s kind of getting hot in here and my glasses are fogging up on me.

You can put just about any sight that you like on there. A good Red Dot. Like I said, I put this Trijicon on there. I was just reaching around, scurrying through boxes and stuff I had of optics, and this came up. I thought it would be kind of funny to put it on the gun, given the cost of the sight versus the rifle. But, overall the ergonomics are really good. It’s easy to hit all of the controls and the shootability is through the roof. I mean this thing is really, really pleasant to shoot.

I’m thinking if you’re looking for a little backpack gun, pick one up, test it out, and make sure it works with the ammunition with a carry in it first, which is critical, and then, this little tiny thing stows away perfectly. If you want to take it a step further, SBR it. Let the barrel stick out about that far when you thread it, and man, you’d have a tiny little power house.

Now with the 16” barrel, we’re going to test this theory, but with this 16” barrel, these .22 mags very well could defeat body armor, threat level 2A, which we’ve tested in the past and maybe even threat level 3A. We’ll find that out and we’ll save that for a future video. I’m going to do a little bit more shooting. I’m done with the suppressor. The gas off that thing is freaking horrendous.

I’m going to see if I can’t shoot the center out of this guy here. We’ve fired about 150 rounds or so with the target and we’ll take you down range and show you what that looks like here in a few seconds as well. You can see what the damage is to the rubber target down range with the .22 mag.

Shoot him in the neck here. Oops, didn’t feed one. As you can see, the thing’s spot on in accuracy, popping him in the neck there and I’ll pop him in the forehead. Back to the center of mass. Let’s give him a belly button, a couple of nipples. It’s a really shootable little gun. The thing’s a lot of fun. Actually, I kind of like Rubber Rob down there too as a target.

Locks open with the last shot fired. Not sure what happened there with the failure to feed, but, occasionally, you’ll find a hiccup or two with the gun. Other than that, though, it’s running really, really good. I actually like it quite a bit. It’s a lot of fun.

His nose is taking a beating. Just started shooting him in the neck. I’ve been focusing a lot of shots here in the center of mass, but if you come around the backside, you can kind of see, hopefully the camera can pick it up, it’s kind of dark. You can see where the headshots are coming through here. You can see where it’s blown out some of the rubber.

What I’m thinking is, if you shoot the center, obviously quite a bit, over and over and over again you’re going to make a hole in center of your rubber target. The self sealing aspect of it kind of gets negated by a lot of concentrated rounds in one small area. If you’re shooting all over the place and you’re a horrible shot, you’re probably going to have your target last a lot longer for you.

Yeah, it’s holding up pretty well so far. Not too bad. Click reset here. This part of it I really like. It’s kind of like a steel target. Reset it so you can easily see your hits. Looks like he has a skin disorder, with all the paint hanging off of him. Cover up his nipples and belly button. I’m sorry, Rubber Rob, that’s probably inappropriate. Alright, there we go, all set, more fun.

Well, guys, I hope you enjoyed coming out to the range with me to shoot the CMR and to the lesser extent, the PMR-30, this afternoon. I do plan on shooting the gun quite a bit more. You’ll see it in videos going forward. Perhaps by the fall I’ll give you a final opinion on the gun. Again, I like to wring it out really good. Put a lot of ammunition through it before I give you guys an opinion on what I think about the particular firearm that I’m testing or evaluating or just playing with in this case.

If you haven’t noticed, I’ve kind of started to get away from the more structured review. What has been commonly referred to as, a table top review, where we show a gun, we recite a bunch of statistics; “It has a 4.2 inch barrel and weighs 2.5 pounds”, and all that nonsense. I find that to be a little bit boring, so I’m doing more and more range type videos.

Where I just bring you guys along. I bring a camera so you can follow me along. We just go off to the range and do some shooting and take a look at the guns actually working. Now, if I encounter problems, I show it. Sometimes the manufacturers don’t like that, but I’m going to be honest with you guys. If I can’t shoot the gun to save my life, you’re going to see it. Sometimes I do run into those problems, not every gun I can shoot very well.

I hope you guys enjoyed the new format of the videos. The more casual approach to reviews, if you will, because I don’t want to really just be stuck, or pigeonholed, into these table top reviews for lack of a better term.

Anyway, I’m going to shoot the PMR-30 on the way out. I really enjoyed shooting this guy because of the fireballs that it throws. This gun has absolutely no recoil that you can really speak of. However, it puts on a heck of a show. Anyway, thanks for watching, everybody, and we will talk to you guys soon.