You’re looking at two of the most popular .45 caliber semiautomatic handguns on planet Earth. I can’t speak for the rest of the galaxy, but on this planet these are two of the ruling firearms that Chamber, the .45 ACP, the 1911 and the Glock 21 and we’re just going to take some shots with them. How’s that?
Yeah, buddy. 1911 Series 80 Colt, that’s one of them. Here we have the Glock 21, ready to go.
I just put another one through that.
Oh yeah. We felt like that door had not been shot quite enough yet. Okay. Glock 21, 1911, we’re going to do a little comparison with the Glock and the 1911. I guess it’s been done before, but you know, I’ve not done it. I’ve not given you my impressions. And you know, I feel left out if I haven’t.
These are two of my very favorite firearms, and you know they represent, wow, just a vast population, both of these guns do combined. The 1911, we know it, don’t we? This is the year of the 1911, and it all started back in 1911 with that baby right there, and of course even before that with the development of it.
All steel, for the most part, there are some now of course alloy frames and even some polymer versions in the frame, I believe, but we’re going to compare the more traditional 1911 with the Glock, which is pretty representative of the newer polymer breed of firearms, the semiautomatic pistol. Of course there are other good guns, great guns. You have Chamber and the .45, M&Ps and the XD(M)s, and just lots of them. You’ve seen quite a few of them right here at the compound shooting table, but we’re going to compare with the Glock.
You know I like the Glock, as well as anything, so let’s just before we shoot them a little bit more let’s look at some of the differences. A lot of you that have both of these guns, I’m not really telling you a lot, but a lot of people don’t have both of these guns and maybe you’re thinking – well I know they are. I get a lot of questions about it.
First of all, let’s just compare the obvious with a 1911, and this is a government model configuration, a 5 inch gun. This is the big Glock, of course, and there are other sizes of the Glock. There are other sizes of the 1911, but for example, we’ve got the other – a smaller size. We have the Glock 23 here, which we’re going to look at a little bit so you can get Glocks in all sizes. You can get 1911 in all sizes.
The thumb safety is one of the big differences in terms of practical reality application. When I put this Glock in my holster, you can see it’s cocked, ready to go. When I reach for it, it’s just pull and shoot, bang. It’s like a double action revolver. Okay. With a 1911, you have a different operation. Thumb safety needs to be on. This holster is for a Glock, of course. I pull it, I’ve got to get that thumb on the safety. Deactivate it. Bang. Okay?
That doesn’t sound like too big a deal, it’s big. It’s big. It’s another step. Of course, if you’re trained in it it’s not a big deal, necessarily, but the Glock is more like a double action revolver, which ruled for decades and decades and decades. You just pull and shoot, pull and pull the trigger, shoot. Okay? Very similar to that.
All right, so in terms of the manual operation, that’s one of the big differences. I think one of the very biggest difference, okay, from a practical standpoint. Now in terms of weight and size and all of that, we’re going to give you a little bit on that. We’re not going to get too nerdy here, but the – of course you have the external hammer, a single action trigger. So once you have a cocked it doesn’t take much to pull it depending on what kind of trigger you have. This Series 8 is pretty nice trigger, and the Glock the safe action trigger. I am not going to get in that argument whether the Glock is a single or double or safe action. I’ll let other people hash that out.
It is a striker fired mechanism, and it does. It is more of a single action once it’s cocked, but I like it, whatever you call it, whatever Glock wants to call it. Okay. So that’s a little bit about the trigger. You got the striker fired met mechanisms and the size and weight I think are pretty significant, at least on these models.
Now if you want to shoot a .45 and a Glock unless you go with a really small Glock 36, which is a very small gun with very limited capacity. Some people love it. I had one. I’m not crazy about it. Maybe I’d like it better now it’s been several years since I’ve had one. I got one the month they came out back in the day. But as far as a big full-size gun this is a fairly valid comparison against the Glock,
Let’s look at the size here. Now, if you have been just thinking about buying one of these two guns, let’s just do the slide. The thickness of the slide, okay. And we got it. Okay, here’s the slide on the Glock 21. There’s the slide on the 1911. Wow. Look at the difference. So I don’t know if you knew that, many of you did, I’m sure, but it’s significant, okay, very significant difference in the thickness of these two guns.
This gun shoots sweet. I mean it’s just a sweet shooting gun. It feels good. It doesn’t recoil a lot, partly because it has that big slide, heavy slide. Same sized thickness as the Glock 10 mm, the 20.
Now, if you want to compare with it a midsize gun or the 40 or the 9, I know we’re kind of getting into apples and oranges and everything else here but that’s okay we’re just kind of giving you an idea of who you might be thinking about a carry gun or a range gun or whatever and you’re not sure about the size and weights and some of the things. And people say that the Glock 23 is a great gun and all that and you don’t even know if it’s any different than at 21. Well you notice the 23 is not nearly as thick as the Glock 21.
Now it is, well, let’s take it off, let’s check the thickness here. I’m going to squeeze it on, okay, on the slide. That was the Glock 23, and that’s the same as the Glock 19. And look at that, it’s still thicker than the 1911. So the 1911 is going down. You don’t get really much thinner than 1911 for .45, so it won’t fit. And of course there’ll all the same, a 1911 is a 1911.
So you might have picked up a 1911 somewhere, at a gun shop, and oh man that’s kind of a heavy gun. That’s a big gun. And it is, it’s will strike you as pretty heavy and hefty gun and everything, handful. But you might not have realized that slide is very very very thin, even thinner than a Glock 19 or Glock 23 or Glock 26 or 27, the baby Glocks or any of the Glocks. So that’s just something to file away there in your memory banks. All right.
Now, and I always make a big deal out of that because that makes it go into an inside the waistband holster much more easily that kind of thing. Generally, it’s a little bit heavier. Let’s check the weight here before we break them down. Again, I don’t know, you’re thinking about maybe a government model. You’re thinking about a big Glock. Let’s put a magazine in here. We’ve got one in here that’s got 13 and all, yeah, fully loaded magazine, Glock 21. Okay, we’re going to see what it weighs. And we have a fully loaded eight round magazine in a standard government model. All right. Let’s compare weight.
Get in the right mode here, okay. We don’t have anything in the chamber. 2 pounds, 12 yeah – 12 ounces and a quarter. Let’s that do that again. 2 pounds, 12 ounces, okay. 2 pounds, 12 ounces you’re carrying on your hip with eight rounds of .45 230-grain, 2 pounds 12 ounces, was it? Here we’ve got 2 pounds 7 ounces, 7.5. Okay, 2 lbs. 7 oz. 7 1/2. Okay. 2 pounds, 7.5. So we have some difference there, 5 or 6 ounces and we have 13 rounds versus 8. That’s pretty significant isn’t it? And if we put, let’s see, take five out of that, so it had 8 rounds in that Glock just for kicks. See what that weighs. So we’re packing 8 rounds,. 2 pounds, three quarters ounces. Yeah. So fair bit lighter, you wouldn’t just carry that 8 in it, but just for grins and giggles there to see the difference.
And that’s what that big thick slide. So, of course, it’s because you got the polymer frame. All right, so just a little info on the weight and the thickness just so you have an idea. Some of you live in places where you don’t have as much access, maybe to gun shows and different guns, and to look at them. Now just also while we’re at it, let’s put in a – let’s say you’re trying to decide between a 1911 Glock 23, for example, and that is a valid choice. It would be for me. It is for me. I like a 1911.
We know what we got with the 1911. We got, again, with a full magazine we have 2 pounds, 12 ounces, we have 8 rounds. Okay, let’s — here’s a – no, that’s a wrong caliber. Let’s, I have one here. Let’s put a, let’s see you need one more in it, but not a big deal. We can put 13 in a Glock 40. Okay. Let’s see the 1911 was 2 pounds, 12 ounces, right? That’s 1 pound 15.75, okay, almost 2 pounds so this gun is significantly lighter than the 1911.
Now, again, that might be apples to oranges to some extent. I should have like a Commander sized gun to really compare, but this gun would be lighter with 13 rounds of .40 caliber, pretty effective and a really shootable little gun. So, and that’s not the subcompact that I’m so fond of. That’s the 23. That’s a pretty good sized gun. So, weight could be an issue for you, just wanted to give you with some idea about that.
Thickness, weight, operation and let’s quickly show you the inside here. But first, you know what, I want to shoot this thing some more. Aha, yeah. You know what we have so much ammo we are definitely going to shoot. We have put all, most of it not of it, of this ammo that was donated by ammoforsale.com in magazines and we are ready to shoot it up.
You know, we use a lot of it for Ruger and SR 1911, and with the ATI, and we decided we were neglecting some other favorite 1911, like our Series 80s, and of course, the Glock 21. We might even fire a shot or two with the old World War II Colt. So, all right, lots of nice targets out there. Let’s wear them out.
Yeah, man, that’s a sweet one I tell you what. Gaston knew what he was doing.
Yeah, that will work quite well.
This is tough work, but somebody’s got to do it.
All right, big .45 caliber, what we want to shoot next? Oh a table.
Worn-out TV tray. It’ll be definitely worn out now. No doubt about that.
Faulty gas cans.
Sweet, sweet. I have more ammunition. I have pockets full of it. All right.
I’m going to work on that door some more.
We might cut it off we’ll see.
We’ll give it the old college try anyway.
We got one side off.
Who-ha. Oh that’s too much fun. All those magazines, I’m out of ammo I got to go back and find some more ammunition. You know this is a lot of work. I hope you all appreciate the work that we’re going through for you shooting these old .45s. It’s tough work. I hate doing it. Wow. Sweet, sweet. Look at those empty magazines. Emptying magazines, that’s just work. Nobody likes doing this you know that, right? Okay. What a baby. I love that thing.
Okay. Get these empties out of the way. What do you think, time for the other one? I’ll tell what let’s do. Let’s show you a couple other things while we’re empty sort of.
1911, okay. Let’s just look at the inside if it’s not too hot, and give you a look at some of that. We’ll break John’s down here. And maybe leave it broken down. So, another difference between these two guns, of course, in the way they break down. And again many of you know it, some of you don’t, and some of you sort of know it. Let’s show you the Glock, of course.
If you haven’t broke a Glock down, pull back this slide little bit. Ooo, them levers. Man. This might be too hot to break down. There we go. Take this slide off, the recoil spring out of barrel. Boom. She’s field stripped. Okay, you’ve seen that many times, probably. There are a lot of good videos about field stripping and all that on YouTube.
Well the 1911 is a little different. This spring plug out there. Okay. Take that out. Slide stop. Try not to lose anything here. Get that out, all right, and you got the main recoil spring, got two bushing, barrel bushing and the barrel slides out. That’s not a big problem either.
If you’re an ex-military person from days gone by, I think you’ll probably even trained to do that in your sleep in the dark – not in your sleep, duh, in the dark, maybe in your sleep. I don’t know, but it’s not a lot different, but as you can see it’s a little more complex. These designs are there different, but you know, all these modern guns they really evolved from John Browning, if you get down to it in the way they operate. Just a simplified is what it comes down to. Different materials, machining that maybe is a little bit more precise than at least in the old days with all the computerized machining equipment and everything.
So I can take any Glock barrel, and oops throw it around. I can take Glock barrel that I wanted to –that thing is pretty hot – and stick it in this gun. I could have all of you mail me your Glock 21 barrels, thrown them in here and this thing would just one after another would function flawlessly with any one of them. The measurements are so precise, and as far as that goes probably even with the 1911 these days.
But that’s the simplicity of the Glock and you have of course the striker fired trigger. You don’t have a hammer, you got a different operation there. You do have a similar, and get this magazine over here. I’m not going to do a lot of nerdy comparisons here, but you’ve got your on the Series 80 the firing pin block there, which you also have on the Glock, you have that as well. And a slide is a slide, they’re not dramatically different. And we don’t have the link on the barrel, of course, which you don’t even have even on the Browning Hi Power and some of the newer designs with that either. So this would probably be closer to the Browning Hi Power in design in some ways, because that was a later design than the 1911, but easier break down, quicker to break down.
As far as breaking down the frame, it’s easier as well. I’m not going to do that today, I’ll tell you that. The Glock, I break the frames down occasionally and give them a good cleaning, and I have broken down 1911 frames and everything. You’ve got the trigger, and the main spring and all that. I’m not that good at it, I’ll tell you. I’m tempted to say some bad words when I take one of these down, but again because I don’t do very often. There some tricks I’ve not learned I can guarantee you. But anyway the 1911 broken down, a few more parts, a little more complex but not a lot; they both work that’s the main thing.
Let’s see if I can get these back together here. Get all the Glock parts back in the Glock and the 1911 parts back in the 1911. They’re both great guns that’s the bottom line isn’t it? . They work. We have not had any malfunctions yet. We might have something today. We are firing factory ammo. And we have one around here somewhere, we lost track of it. We weren’t going to, one of these SMB rounds. Again, these are all from the ammoforsale.com contribution. One of them was left out here on the table for a whole week of rainstorms and I had it separate for a while and then I don’t know what happened to but it’s in here somewhere in here. It’s in a magazine. I don’t really expect any trouble.
I have experimented with that before. It takes a lot to kill around. Let’s see it’s 1911 time. Yeah. Let’s shoot a 1911. Let’s put some of these mags in the Glock mag pouches. Like I say this is tough work, but someone has to do it. It’s a big sacrifice having to shoot all these rounds. I hid another magazine. You know where those rounds will be if I would’ve known that. All right. Shoot a few. Okay. I’m going to shoot this baby. All right, 1911 let’s see if it’ll shoot.
Yeah, it will shoot.
Not as many times before reloading, but it’ll shoot.
It feels good. It feels good. Let’s throw a few rounds out there at the gong with this gorgeous gun.
All right, passed gong test. All right we’ve got a few more here.
More ammo, more ammo, more ammo.
Those animals, you never know what they’re going to do.
I wasted around on him. He started following and I didn’t know he was following. Well I’m out of ammo already. Whew. I tell you what I needed to get something that’s belt fed don’t I. These keep running out. Oops. PM 9 mag, I don’t think that will work. Anything I had in my pockets today. Oh, there was a magazine. There’s two magazines. Wow. I guess I did have a couple didn’t I?
Okay, we’ve got all the magazines loaded back up that we could. We got all – we have all the ammunition in magazines, all right so we’re ready to play again. Look at this pocketful magazines, pouch is full. It’s a lot of work, but I’m willing to do it for you. All right. Let’s play some more.
Let them fall. We’ve got so many magazines we’ll pick them up later.
I want to work on that door some more.
Yeah, I seen a bad guy through the door there.
All right. She’s getting chewed up.
If I’d aim a little bit it might not have taken so much ammo.
All right, we’re creating a nice hole anyway. Let’s go across the hill a minute and give it a break.
Almost couldn’t see him.
All right. More ammo, yes. Okay, Mr. Turkey.
Oh, this is too much fun. Let’s put a few more in that door.
I think I’m shooting midair here. Okay, might have to get a little bit different angle here.
Can’t really see.
Wow, that’s hard. I see the problem, really hard. Okay. Well let’s back up here. We might not…
That was really thick piece of metal right there. It might take an AK-47 or something to cut that off. I didn’t realize that. Who knew, VW would actually have steel in the door. Oh well. That’s all right. We got more targets. All right, we’re running low on ammo though.
Like I say with the Glock there’s no safety.
No external thumb safety, always have your safety up here though. All right. Let’s back up a little bit.
Oh no, one magazine with my Glock, baby. I hate that. One little mag. All right let’s play in the tree a little more.
All right. Let me make sure, yeah, yeah, okay. Sometimes I discover a magazine lurking that I forgot about, but we have a few more for this one. All right. Yeah. More big bullets although we’re running out of them. The last three magazines. So sad, so sad.
I keep thinking that I was out of ammo. I was out of ammo. Okay, got one more.
Whoa, too much work. Guess what though, we saved one special magazine. This is all we have left from the ammoforsale.com donation. Let’s make sure that’s .40 stuff there, we were maybe going to shoot, we won’t shoot that. Okay. And we have reserved it for this special baby, the World War II Colt. All right. You’ve seen this beauty. We’re going to fire it a couple of times.
I want to make sure we didn’t miss on the last shot with this baby. Yes, when you’re talking about 1911s, you know it doesn’t get any better than that one does it? And of course the old trustworthy Glock. Everything works, didn’t it? Everything worked and again hodgepodge of magazines. I guess I should be saying the same thing about my Glock magazines. You know, I’ve had some of those for a long time too of course they tend to run forever,, but the Glock 21, the Glock 45 and the 1911, a couple of really popular and very nice 1911s. We wanted to give you look out there and just do a little comparison. Give you kind of a feel for what you got with each one.
Many of you have both of these guns. So, you didn’t really learn a lot maybe you just saw me throw a lot of lead but if you haven’t held some of these or you haven’t broken them down, you’re not really sure what the differences are, hopefully, that gives you a little bit of an idea. They both shoot really well. If I had to choose one it would be a tough choice. I kind of lean toward the Glock for just for shooting.
You know if there was a zombie attack coming across the hill, four or five of them, it’s hard to beat that thing the way it shoots so well, the capacity or the reliability of it but then again, these things they do great too. So I don’t really declare a winner. I like them both, the 1911 and the Glock, as you all know. So anyway, I’ve had a lot of fun, and I’ve thrown a lot lead today, so I’m glad you could be here at the compound to kind of experience it with me. So, life is really good.